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05/10/03 12:29 PM
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Most of the EDA vendos now support most of their products on Linux now. This forum is open to both the EDA industry professionals as well as the CAD/ IC/ ASIC/ PCB/ System designers who are either using Linux or want to discuss use of Linux in the Electronics Design Process.

Here are some questions posed by Peggy Aycienna targeted towards EDA industry professional to get the discussions started. Users of the tools should jump in too with their take on this topic.

1) Have you ported none/some/all of our applications over to Linux. ? OR -- you are not there yet, but your future strategy with regards to Linux is ?.

2) You are developing your tools/products in one environment and then porting over to Linux and releasing everything at the same time ? OR ? there are timing differences between releases on one operating system and later releases of the same tool/version on Linux.

3) Your customers are telling us that they would/would not/must/might like to have Linux-based versions of your tools/applications ? the feedback you?re getting from your customers vis-a-vis Linux is tremendous/fascinating/annoying/burdensome/they could care less.

4) You are having to spend way too much/way too little/just the right amount of your precious resources chasing this Linux thing ? your customers find themselves in the same/different boat.

5) True or False ...Engineers love Linux ... IT Managers do not ... EDA is ambivalent.

Sanjay Gangal
V.P. Marketing

Edited by sanjaygangal on 06/09/03 10:05 AM.

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05/23/03 01:37 PM
Response from Applied Wave Research [re: sanjaygangal]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

Applied Wave Research (AWR) - ?Our EDA products are running natively on Windows today. We have ported our applications to run as a co-process on a Linux platform. We are presently performing a native Linux port to be completed later this year for those who only want to run Linux apps. We are developing our applications under Windows because of its advantages for software development. We will then port it to Linux, which is expected to be only a minor delay once the process is mature. We are getting requests to have our products running on Linux - it is Unix that people seem to be abandoning. The Linux porting effort seems to be very reasonable for us. What we see is that engineers just want to run their apps and really don't care about the operating system. It is the IT and CAD groups that are more interested in what OS is running.?

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05/23/03 01:39 PM
Reply from Joe Civello, Agilent new [re: sanjaygangal]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

Joe Civello, ADS Platform Product Manager for Agilent EEsof EDA - ?Agilent EEsof constantly monitors customer OS requirements. Within the last year or so, we've seen a much more organized approach by our customers to the transition to Linux than in prior years. Based on this recent change and Agilent EEsof's Alliance with Cadence, we plan to have Linux solutions for both the RF Design Environment and the Advanced Design System within the next 12 months. Our approach to PC/Unix/Linux OS support is fairly unique in the EDA industry - we don't port from one OS to another. Our products are architected with a layered application programming interface, which allows us the ability to deliver both at the same time, for each product release, without porting or duplicating effort. As such, we don't encounter the difficulties associated with porting from say PC to Unix or now Linux. Because of this architecture, the addition of Linux support, to the existing PC and Unix OSs supported today, is straightforward. In fact, internally, our R&D team has been using Linux for product development for several years. The benefits of Linux to the EDA customer is clear, reduced costs and enhanced performance. Agilent EEsof EDA's focus is on providing solutions that lower customers' total cost of ownership and increase productivity. ADS and RFDE support of Linux accomplish both.?

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05/23/03 01:40 PM
Response from Eric Seabrook, Aldec new [re: sanjaygangal]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

Eric Seabrook, Product Marketing Manager at Aldec, Inc. - ?We have elected to port some of our products (based on demand) for use on Linux. Riviera is our cross-platform simulation solution without graphical entry currently available for Windows, Unix, and Linux. We offer graphical design entry for Windows only, but provide simulation on all platforms and also offer the migration of files generated in Windows to be verified on Linux for our customers that are utilizing server farms or remote resources. Our core technology is platform independent, which allows us to concentrate on the product and not the environment. Once completed and tested, it is then compiled to all platforms and available simultaneously to our customers.?

?We have not seen a tremendous request for a Linux version of our tool and get about 25% of the evaluation interest (based on download) for this operating system. We do however see Linux beginning to gain momentum for certain applications and anticipate future growth. We don't expend a great deal of time on Linux-related issues because of our development accomplishments and the ability to produce a Linux version simultaneously with other platforms. This allows us to support the Linux initiative with our tools and create better design methods without limitation. I don't see the Linux argument as a love/hate relationship, rather just another alternative for engineers and managers to use for certain applications. I also don't see Linux replacing engineering environments, but rather augmenting the development team's available resources. I believe from a cost stand-point that Linux offers great benefit to the IT manager comparable to other alternatives, but tool availability and flow requirements by designer are still not where they need to be.?

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05/23/03 01:41 PM
Response from Robert DiGrazia, ASC new [re: sanjaygangal]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

Robert DiGrazia, Director of Marketing for Alternative System Concepts, Inc. - ?We have ported some of our applications to Linux, and expect to support future applications on Linux. We use multi-platform building mechanisms to cover all platforms. We build and release on all platforms simultaneously. Some of our customers prefer Linux. Most use Solaris or Windows. We spend just the right amount of time on Linux. Linux is largely compatible with other standard variants of Unix. It's true - engineers love Linux and EDA is ambivalent.?

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05/23/03 01:42 PM
Response from Axis Systems new [re: sanjaygangal]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

Axis Systems, Inc. - ?Axis Systems recently announced its support of Linux, creating the first, complete Linux-based hardware acceleration and emulation systems. All of Axis' simulation, acceleration, and emulation products, based on our ReConfigurable Computing technology and software, have been ported to Linux. The development of Axis' products is nearly independent of the OS, whether it is Linux or Solaris. Both Axis and its customers feel that the time invested in Linux development has been worthwhile. Axis' decision to support a Linux-based verification workflow was based on a strong customer trend to supplement Solaris development with Linux. Initial feedback from customers indicates that the availability of a Linux-centered design methodology is providing them with cost-effective performance gains. Axis' expansion into Linux fits into its Design Team Emulation solution, which not only provides emulation for verification teams, but also expands the usage of emulation to system, hardware, and software engineering in a development environment - whether Solaris or Linux. EDA stays close to its customers' needs and supports whatever will make them most successful.?

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05/23/03 01:43 PM
Response from Mitch Weaver @ Cadence new [re: sanjaygangal]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

Mitch Weaver, Vice President of the Marketing, Functional Verification group, Cadence Design Systems, Inc. - ?Cadence enthusiastically supports Linux. Engineers tell us they like the combination of price/performance and mobility that it provides. We're finding strong demand for both the Cadence Incisive verification platform and the Encounter Digital IC design platform on Linux.?

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05/23/03 01:44 PM
Response from Jeff Jussel @ Celoxica new [re: sanjaygangal]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

Jeff Jussel, Vice President of Marketing for Celoxica - ?Celoxica's tools for Software-Compiled System Design primarily target field programmable SoC devices and hence run on Windows to better integrate with existing FPGA vendor tools. Some of our customers have expressed interest in Linux versions of our products. The focus of this interest varies across organizations, in some there is a corporate IT move towards Linux, in others the corporate preference is Windows with some engineers using Linux workstations. Overall we have not found that our current Windows-only approach has become a purchase-critical issue - even in 'officially' Unix-only organizations, there seems to be a Windows PC available. Our current product set is developed and supported on Windows platforms, but we acknowledge in our product strategy that there is a growing interest in Linux. Our product code is readily portable to Linux and we are currently working on a commercial port to Linux, which we expect to have available as an early release version later this calendar year, with full commercial availability during 2004.?

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05/23/03 01:45 PM
Response from Pete Hardee @ CoWare [re: sanjaygangal]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

Pete Hardee, Director of Product Marketing for CoWare, Inc. - ?As a result of customer demand, all CoWare's tools are ported to Linux, and have been for the at least the last three releases. Our new ConvergenSC product family was our first release completely developed on Linux, then ported to Solaris. Customers investing in new hardware are buying Linux boxes. Customers love running three or four times faster on boxes that cost a fraction of the price of Unix workstations. Two or three years ago, there may have been some doubt. However, customers have been demanding Linux for years and have been getting it from most vendors for some time. If there are any managers who haven't woken up to Linux, just call them Rip Van Winkle! You can get Linux boxes for hundreds of dollars, running Pentiums at 2.5GHz. Even IT managers have got to love that. One important development overlooked by these questions, however, is the impact of Linux on embedded software. Embedded Linux as a real-time operating system is gaining favor and changing the game in the RTOS market. We'll be booting Linux live at DAC on a SystemC transactional prototype.?

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05/23/03 01:46 PM
Response from Lauro Rizzati @ EVE new [re: sanjaygangal]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

Lauro Rizzatti, Vice President of Marketing at Emulation and Verification Engineering (EVE) - ?EVE's software runs under Linux, and we may or may not port it to other platforms. Our software development environment is based on Linux and we will continue to design our future products under Linux. Our customers overwhelmingly like Linux. We have not lost any potential business because of Linux. Customers either use Linux today, or plan to adopt Linux soon. Engineers love Linux. Some IT Managers do, others do not. All EDA vendors either support Linux today or will support Linux in the near future.?

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